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he knows chuck hagel well, they traveled to iraq and afghanistan together. i think he admired hagel's strength and independence in standing up on some of these issues in the senate. and he i was intrigued by hagel's status as someone who has actually been an enlisted man, two purple hearts, understands the wages of war. >> rose: and are friends too, i mean he liked him. >> there's no doubt that he likes him. and i, you know, i think that the fact that they have a good and close working relationship is to the benefit of the country. >> rose: if political journalist and the public at launch doesn't understand something fundamental about what life is like inside the white house, not hours and not fat agency and not all of that, but the way it works, what is it we don't understand? well, i think the gate challenge in the swhous that nothing inconsequence comes there. the president always says if it's easy to solve, it never comes to me. so by definition you know, virtually everything that's being dealt with on a daily basis has, you know s deeply complex and gen
he knows chuck hagel well, they traveled to iraq and afghanistan together. i think he admired hagel's strength and independence in standing up on some of these issues in the senate. and he i was intrigued by hagel's status as someone who has actually been an enlisted man, two purple hearts, understands the wages of war. >> rose: and are friends too, i mean he liked him. >> there's no doubt that he likes him. and i, you know, i think that the fact that they have a good and close...
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think hagel's very interesting. if i had to say what is the obama doctrine? it is end today's wars as quickly as possible, be reticent about getting involved in future wars and nation-build at home as he said constantly during the campaign and that means drawing down the pentagon because you need that money and hagel comports with that world view exactly so hagel fits perfectly with the obama administration's agenda right now. gwen: alexis, you were at the white house for the news conference this afternoon and to get to christie's question, did you have a sense that they meant to make an announcement that things were changing or was it coming out to say everything was fine, we'll proceed at pace? >> the administration has been lining up thoughts about how many troops will be left and how firmly the president believes that the united states is going to proceed on a time table. so the administration was dangling the idea that there might be zero troops as a pressure, a way to pressure karzai and the afghan, you know, government, in order to suggest, you know, y
think hagel's very interesting. if i had to say what is the obama doctrine? it is end today's wars as quickly as possible, be reticent about getting involved in future wars and nation-build at home as he said constantly during the campaign and that means drawing down the pentagon because you need that money and hagel comports with that world view exactly so hagel fits perfectly with the obama administration's agenda right now. gwen: alexis, you were at the white house for the news conference...
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this man is chuck hagel. chuck hagel enlisted in the army in 1967. he was a sergeant in the infantry. in 1968 -- and this is an anomaly. this is not true of very many other people, if any other people at all. chuck hagel served in the same small patrol in the infantry as his brother. he was 21 at the time. his brother tom was 19. in march 1968, sergeant hagel was on patrol when he was hit by shrapnel from a mine. he still carries some of that shrapnel in his chest today. but that day in 1968, it was his younger brother tom who tore his shirt open and wrapped the bandages around chuck hagel's chest to stop the bleeding. his brother saved him. his younger brother tom had also been hit by shrapnel. they spent time recovering in a field hospital after that incident. they didn't stay in the hospital long, though, because the following month, in april 1968, the two of them were back out together. they were riding in the same armored personnel carrier when it also was hit by a mine in an ambush. quoting from the book "long time passing" here, chuck instantl
this man is chuck hagel. chuck hagel enlisted in the army in 1967. he was a sergeant in the infantry. in 1968 -- and this is an anomaly. this is not true of very many other people, if any other people at all. chuck hagel served in the same small patrol in the infantry as his brother. he was 21 at the time. his brother tom was 19. in march 1968, sergeant hagel was on patrol when he was hit by shrapnel from a mine. he still carries some of that shrapnel in his chest today. but that day in 1968,...
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are they trying this with hagel? why is it no matter what this president nominates, they find a reason to fight it. >> i think this is the next front, you know. they didn't do so well on the fiscal cliff. now they've got to find another partisan opening. i think it's a partisan attack. i think it's designed to help them raise money to strengthen their party's position from the mainstream position of the president. >> governor, when you look at john mccane, for example, john mccain says he has concerns about hagel's positions on national security issues today. but in 2006, when he was plotting a run for the presidency, mccain said i'd be honored to have chuck with me in any capacity. he'd make a great secretary of state. same john mccain. mitch mcconnell who says there will be tough questions for hagel. >>> is john mccain just a bitter man because president obama beat him and he's just bitter and keeps attacking whatever the president does and mitch mcconnell is still trying to live up to his saying that will make him
are they trying this with hagel? why is it no matter what this president nominates, they find a reason to fight it. >> i think this is the next front, you know. they didn't do so well on the fiscal cliff. now they've got to find another partisan opening. i think it's a partisan attack. i think it's designed to help them raise money to strengthen their party's position from the mainstream position of the president. >> governor, when you look at john mccane, for example, john mccain...
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the real issue with chuck hagel. it's not entirely true that hagel always has a contrarian profile. there's a great deal of political opportunism and 1997, the bird hagel amendment, adamantly opposing the-- >> the global warming. >> exactly. >> paul: agreement. >> in 1998, it was one of the republicans pushing bill clinton to deploy ground troo troops. but it's true in the last eight or nine years he's developed a dovish persona. not just to the left of the republican party, but putting him to the left of president obama's own stated positions when it comes to countries like iran. >> paul: really? >> well, i guess a lot of people would say, well, fine, this reflects these choices reflect president obama's world view. he won the election, shouldn't he get those choices? >> well, perhaps, except that his world view includes, i'm convinced, the idea that spending on defense has got to fall and that that money has to be reprogrammed into domestic spending. the defense budget is 600 billion dollars more or less and post war, 5% of gdp and conservatives argue it should now be about 4% of
the real issue with chuck hagel. it's not entirely true that hagel always has a contrarian profile. there's a great deal of political opportunism and 1997, the bird hagel amendment, adamantly opposing the-- >> the global warming. >> exactly. >> paul: agreement. >> in 1998, it was one of the republicans pushing bill clinton to deploy ground troo troops. but it's true in the last eight or nine years he's developed a dovish persona. not just to the left of the republican...
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hagel backed both the afghan and iraq wars. hagel's also a vietnam war vet with two purple hearts and would be the nation's first pentagon chief to have seen combat as an enlisted soldier. he's come under fire for a gay slur of 15 years ago and he's apologized for. even though many may think those criticisms of iraq and afghanistan is invalid. john brennan earned the stripes at the cia and runs counterterror ops which basically means he's running the drone program and fighting al qaeda which is not necessarily the same thing. cia isn't a cabinet position. and brennan isn't up against many roadblocks there. nor any major controversy on senator john kerry's nomination for secretary of state. so, since we're a cable news show, we have to talk about the fight. the fight and for and against hagel at the pentagon. start with an afghan war veteran, anthony schafer, friend of the program. and now with the cent ef of advance defense studies and john saltz, chairman of votevets.org. tony, do you like the pick? is this good for america? >
hagel backed both the afghan and iraq wars. hagel's also a vietnam war vet with two purple hearts and would be the nation's first pentagon chief to have seen combat as an enlisted soldier. he's come under fire for a gay slur of 15 years ago and he's apologized for. even though many may think those criticisms of iraq and afghanistan is invalid. john brennan earned the stripes at the cia and runs counterterror ops which basically means he's running the drone program and fighting al qaeda which is...
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chuck hagel fans. that said president obama has picked hagel. he likes hagel. they're friends going back to their senate tenure. it's hard to imagine if obama really wants hagel ten democratic senators will vote against him. i find that hard to believe. second thing is president obama wants to push for cuts in defense spending. their view is there's no better advocate for it, no better voice for cutting the pentagon that a provincial vietnam veteran like chuck hagel. >> i want to play a clip of what former general stanley mcchrystal said on the "today" show this morning. >> if president obama trusts him, i think senator hagel has the experience. he's certainly got the quality as a person. the real matter is whether the president has that level of trust. that level of trust and relationship between those people and with other members of the cabinet are the most important. >> matt, to perry's point, is a big part of this about the president just likes him? they've gotten along for many years now? >> yeah. he has a very close relationship with vice president joe b
chuck hagel fans. that said president obama has picked hagel. he likes hagel. they're friends going back to their senate tenure. it's hard to imagine if obama really wants hagel ten democratic senators will vote against him. i find that hard to believe. second thing is president obama wants to push for cuts in defense spending. their view is there's no better advocate for it, no better voice for cutting the pentagon that a provincial vietnam veteran like chuck hagel. >> i want to play a...
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hagel refused. he had written to president clinton about this exact case, received a letter from clinton, had a commitment from clinton to make certain actions. hagel was moving privately. they're upset he did not sign on to the letter. because of not banned widening and falling with the tribe, there is the concern of its independence -- bandwagoning and following the tribe, there is a concern about his independence. caller: he was against the sanctions against iran. if he has been advising as president, no one would say we are winning in afghanistan. under obama, 80% of the injuries have occurred in afghanistan. does that sound like we are winning? guest: of me go back for a second. -- let me go back for a second. by talking about, i am not the senator from israel, the problem with that is it suggests that those who have strong strategic view is about the u.s.-israel relationship are somehow in the pocket of israelis. i think that is wrong. there are solid, strategic reasons for the relationship. p
hagel refused. he had written to president clinton about this exact case, received a letter from clinton, had a commitment from clinton to make certain actions. hagel was moving privately. they're upset he did not sign on to the letter. because of not banned widening and falling with the tribe, there is the concern of its independence -- bandwagoning and following the tribe, there is a concern about his independence. caller: he was against the sanctions against iran. if he has been advising as...
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but the president has chosen chuck hagel or is, i guess, going to choose chuck hagel. and chuck hagel isn't going to be working for himself. he's not going to be freelancing as a senator as he was when he made these misstatements which i suspect have upset senator graham and other members of the senate who might be concerned about some of the things he said in the past. he'll be working for the president. when working for the president you follow the president's policies. i don't see this prior statement as being -- first off, they may -- they may have been wrong. he may have made some statements which were inappropriate, as he did. but everybody does, i guess. and now he's going to be working for the president. and carrying the president's policies forward. i think he'll probably carry them forward rather effectively. the thing i like about chuck, and i've known him for a long time. we had our differences when we were in the senate to say the least because he's a pretty strong personality. but i like the fact that he thinks outside the box. the defense department is g
but the president has chosen chuck hagel or is, i guess, going to choose chuck hagel. and chuck hagel isn't going to be working for himself. he's not going to be freelancing as a senator as he was when he made these misstatements which i suspect have upset senator graham and other members of the senate who might be concerned about some of the things he said in the past. he'll be working for the president. when working for the president you follow the president's policies. i don't see this prior...
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hagel and he took a pass. in in the past republican nominees have often gotten broad republican backing but despite hagel's 12 years in the senate, he may find republican votes pretty hard to come by. on the sunday shows, republican senators hit hagel and hit him hard. >> he has long severed his ties with the republican party. this is an in your face nomination by the president. >> if hagel is nominated, it is very difficult to imagine a circumstance in which i can support his confirmation. >> a lot of tough questions of senator hagel, but he'll be treated fairly. >> known for his independent streak he became a thorn in the side of senate republicans in 2007 when he turned against the iraq war. >> how are we helping the american military and those individuals we're sending off to fight and die by remaining silet? >> that ultimately among the bigger reasons why he will have support among senate republicans. that said, he will face questions about his support for israel after referring to certain pro-israeli gro
hagel and he took a pass. in in the past republican nominees have often gotten broad republican backing but despite hagel's 12 years in the senate, he may find republican votes pretty hard to come by. on the sunday shows, republican senators hit hagel and hit him hard. >> he has long severed his ties with the republican party. this is an in your face nomination by the president. >> if hagel is nominated, it is very difficult to imagine a circumstance in which i can support his...
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so is chuck hagel. i have been at denver's -- eye was the emcee at the nixon senator's dinner -- nixon center's dinner honoring john kyl. chuck hagel was in the room. this is not a war between people. we often over-emphasize these questions of division. these are real debates. this is why we have the capital behind us to have these major discussions. chuck hagel, i think, it was a proud moment. he demonstrated an independence of thought and questioning that i think was vital for the country. host: i want to go to something you said. in terms of what the president said about iraq and afghanistan, saying iraq was the war of choice, afghanistan was a war of necessity. in your view, though, was iraq necessary? if so, why? what did we accomplish? guest: we have not accomplished all that much. it is a debatable question. it depends on a lot of factors that are out of my control. we should not forget that we did get rid of saddam hussein. it was a terrible tyrant to his people and a danger to the region. there
so is chuck hagel. i have been at denver's -- eye was the emcee at the nixon senator's dinner -- nixon center's dinner honoring john kyl. chuck hagel was in the room. this is not a war between people. we often over-emphasize these questions of division. these are real debates. this is why we have the capital behind us to have these major discussions. chuck hagel, i think, it was a proud moment. he demonstrated an independence of thought and questioning that i think was vital for the country....
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secretary and obama and hagel never really rivals. hagel is one of the allies from the other side, sort of from the beginning and wanted to ask you about the roots of the relationship. we see reporting to refer back to the 2008 trip in the campaign that they took to the middle east. i know you mentioned it in your piece a bit. can you tell us a little bit about what that trip was about, what sort of happened during it and how it sort of shaped that relationship? >> well, hagel like kerry and like biden was very much a mentor to obama. who was still, remember, a freshman senator. this is a guy who effectively began running for president after he'd been senator for less than two years. and these -- this team are incredibly well grounded in foreign policy. i think it was a lot of advice on how to handle the middle east from hagel and biden and kerry who are more or less in agreement going back a couple of decades on some of these issues. as you alluded to in the beginning on a trip obama made with hagel to afghanistan, he actually -- tha
secretary and obama and hagel never really rivals. hagel is one of the allies from the other side, sort of from the beginning and wanted to ask you about the roots of the relationship. we see reporting to refer back to the 2008 trip in the campaign that they took to the middle east. i know you mentioned it in your piece a bit. can you tell us a little bit about what that trip was about, what sort of happened during it and how it sort of shaped that relationship? >> well, hagel like kerry...
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hagel or mr. donelan? >> you know, it seems to me that john kerry has been much more in the mainstream and sort of closer to where the administration has been. i think he has gone out as a troubleshooter for the administration on several occasions. >> rose: syria, for example. >> pakistan, syria, other places. and i suspect that president obama is not going to see in senator john kerry as much of an independent operator as we saw with, say, secretary clinton who pressed very hard with bob gates for a much more muscular expansion of the surge in afghanistan. she pressed very hard for the libya intervention. and i'm -- it's not clear to me yet that secretary kerry, if he is confirmed, would necessarily press as hard as she did on those issues. he may well surprise us on that. >> rose: she has high public marks for what she did as secretary of state. among the foreign policy people, what do they look at as her principal accomplishment? >> i think that the public marks have been a little bit higher, charlie, t
hagel or mr. donelan? >> you know, it seems to me that john kerry has been much more in the mainstream and sort of closer to where the administration has been. i think he has gone out as a troubleshooter for the administration on several occasions. >> rose: syria, for example. >> pakistan, syria, other places. and i suspect that president obama is not going to see in senator john kerry as much of an independent operator as we saw with, say, secretary clinton who pressed very...
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and that is chuck hagel. and the other side of that he has also been slower to fight the good fight some would say from his base perspective of shutting down guantanamo. he has made compromises. and he has also signed some of the defense authorization and the reauthorization acts which many civil libertarians find offensive. >> one of the interesting things about brennan is his comments about political controversies that have happened while he was in office. divert pretty strongly from what has happened as policy around him. he said at the time he withdrew his name from consideration in 2009 he wanted to be known as somebody who was against the iraq war, known as somebody who was against torture, enhanced techniques, specifically against water boarding. he said recently he is against the shifting of military power to the cia, treating cia effectively as an air force. he says a lot of the drone strikes should be carried out by the military, under traditional military authority so we're not doing this exotic ex
and that is chuck hagel. and the other side of that he has also been slower to fight the good fight some would say from his base perspective of shutting down guantanamo. he has made compromises. and he has also signed some of the defense authorization and the reauthorization acts which many civil libertarians find offensive. >> one of the interesting things about brennan is his comments about political controversies that have happened while he was in office. divert pretty strongly from...
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i think chuck hagel will have a tougher time, and i do think that--i think hagel will have a roughing time of it then kerry. they all but nominated kerry them when beating up on susan rice. it would be heart to double back on him now. >> john: somewhere scott brown is washing his truck. charles pierce, so great to have you on the program. >> thanks, john, i appreciate it. >> john: thank you, for now on what president obama hopes to accomplish in his second temperature i'm happy to be joined by current tv correspondent david shuster and eric boehlert scene fellow with media matters for america. what does he have a better chance of pushing through. >> i think he has a greater chance on gun control and charles was right. it will make the heads explode on the right and make banning assault weapons closing gun show loops holes would seem reasonable. i think that sets the president up in a pretty good negotiating position. >> john: what track record do you think he'll be willing to ruffle executive orders. >> the haguethe hagueel,the republicans made it clear they didn't want chuck hagel. t
i think chuck hagel will have a tougher time, and i do think that--i think hagel will have a roughing time of it then kerry. they all but nominated kerry them when beating up on susan rice. it would be heart to double back on him now. >> john: somewhere scott brown is washing his truck. charles pierce, so great to have you on the program. >> thanks, john, i appreciate it. >> john: thank you, for now on what president obama hopes to accomplish in his second temperature i'm...
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you talk about chuck hagel. what chuck hagel's role in all of that, if et wants to be secretary of defense. it's a complicated issue, and it's more complicated politically, andrea, simply because the american public -- this happened in iraq. it's clearly happening in afghanistan. the american public has tired of our involvement in these conflicts. this is not something new. this is something that has been long and coming. if you look at the history in polling at least of when that happens, public opinion almost never sort of sways back up to all of a sudden be supportive and think this was a battle worth fighting and those sorts of things. it's dangerous ground for any politician because of that. >> we are seeing a change with chuck hagel. this is an obama, hagel foreign policy going forward as well as john kerry, who you have three men there who really are not as committed, hardly, to overseas engagement, and it gets more complicated when you have so many insider attacks, the green on blue attacks, that that ha
you talk about chuck hagel. what chuck hagel's role in all of that, if et wants to be secretary of defense. it's a complicated issue, and it's more complicated politically, andrea, simply because the american public -- this happened in iraq. it's clearly happening in afghanistan. the american public has tired of our involvement in these conflicts. this is not something new. this is something that has been long and coming. if you look at the history in polling at least of when that happens,...
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krystal, moving on to chuck hagel. he's been described as you know as a homophobic anti-semitic lover of hamas. doesn't this come down to where he said this about the pentagon. it is bloated and needs to be pared down. that's his greatest sin isn't it? >> that is one of them. i think the other was questioning the iraq war and eventually coming out and opposing the iraq war and saying after he cast the vote in favor of the iraq war, coming back and saying you know what? this was the wrong move. that created a lot of animosity. and we have seen criticism from the left. i do want to see a confirmation process. i want to know how he'll behave towards lbgt members of the military. >> and he has already apologized for those statements. >> absolutely. absolutely. but the charges that -- i mean, the thing that has really been ludicrous is because he hasn't been with mccain and lieberman an every vote in israel, not only is his anti-israel, he's anti-semitic. i think that shuts down any debate on the topic. >> had a change of h
krystal, moving on to chuck hagel. he's been described as you know as a homophobic anti-semitic lover of hamas. doesn't this come down to where he said this about the pentagon. it is bloated and needs to be pared down. that's his greatest sin isn't it? >> that is one of them. i think the other was questioning the iraq war and eventually coming out and opposing the iraq war and saying after he cast the vote in favor of the iraq war, coming back and saying you know what? this was the wrong...
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>> martin, look, president obama would not have nominated chuck hagel if chuck hagel was not in line with him on this particular issue and on the president's policy descriptions for the pentagon. so i am not worried about chuck hagel, about what he said 15 years ago, especially since he has since apologized and has made affirmative statements. >> yes, he has, indeed. now, john, john brennan has 25 years of service at the cia. he's expected to be questioned rigorously on the issue of torture or enhanced interrogation techniques as they're known by some. does this present mr. brennan with some real challenge given his oversight of enhanced interrogation techniques under the previous administration? >> well, i mean, since he was there in the previous administration, if the senate wants to ask him those questions, then, yes, they will provide some discomfort for him, but remember when president obama came into office, it was he who said we are no longer doing this. this is not who we are as a country, and so if the senate wants to litigate past battles that even the president of the unit
>> martin, look, president obama would not have nominated chuck hagel if chuck hagel was not in line with him on this particular issue and on the president's policy descriptions for the pentagon. so i am not worried about chuck hagel, about what he said 15 years ago, especially since he has since apologized and has made affirmative statements. >> yes, he has, indeed. now, john, john brennan has 25 years of service at the cia. he's expected to be questioned rigorously on the issue of...
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guest: i guess we'll see what the objections to a hagel are. i think hagel is a sound choice. i think the president has every right to nominate chuck hagel for this position. some statements he has made in the past need to be aired. my guess is that he will be confirmed by a large margin in the senate. the secretary of defense does not make foreign policy. the secretary of defense plays the primary role of bringing our defense department to bear to the service of the president. most people believe his qualifications are sound. he was a decorated hero, enlisted man in the vietnam war. there never has been an enlisted man like him as secretary of defense. the issues he is going to confront our budgetary issues thehow well we can fund pentagon and how we can cut back on certain aspects of the budget. that will be very tough. i agree with chuck hagel there are some things we can cut. we need to cut with a scalpel and not a sledgehammer. the threats against us are serious. we need to cut the legacy systems and put in more limited amount of funds in the right places so we can protec
guest: i guess we'll see what the objections to a hagel are. i think hagel is a sound choice. i think the president has every right to nominate chuck hagel for this position. some statements he has made in the past need to be aired. my guess is that he will be confirmed by a large margin in the senate. the secretary of defense does not make foreign policy. the secretary of defense plays the primary role of bringing our defense department to bear to the service of the president. most people...
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chuck hagel, john mccain. a group of vietnam veterans back in the bush administration who were more, i would say, in the colin powell wing of the republican party. war is a last resort. if you do have war, use overwhelming force. and then the neo con movement came in. you will have philosophical arguments over america in the world and the use of force. >> as john just points out, these two men were great buddies once upon a time. >> both vietnam veterans. >> both vietnam vets, decorated heroes and they were really close. then they started splitting over the questions of the use of force. then they split, of course, when barack obama ran for president. chuck hagel's wife endorsed barack obama when he was a candidate. chuck hagel stopped short of it. lots of republicans don't believe hague sl a republican, by the way. mitch mcconnell, leader of the republicans in the senate yesterday hold his fire, as jim was pointing out, hold his fire. didn't come out against the nominati nomination. everybody has their own po
chuck hagel, john mccain. a group of vietnam veterans back in the bush administration who were more, i would say, in the colin powell wing of the republican party. war is a last resort. if you do have war, use overwhelming force. and then the neo con movement came in. you will have philosophical arguments over america in the world and the use of force. >> as john just points out, these two men were great buddies once upon a time. >> both vietnam veterans. >> both vietnam vets,...
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hagel, the choice for defense secretary. later, someone from morgan stanley talks about his new book. "washington journal" was next. >> good morning here in washington on the sunday morning. rehearsals underway later today for the inaugural ceremony. it will officially get underway in eight days. it is sunday, january 13. the house returns this week. the senate returns after the inauguration. converse tries to figure out what to do on the issue of spending and the national debt. we want to get your comments on a proposal put forth by senate democrats to bypass congress, allowing the president to raise the debt ceiling. it also removes the debate on section four of the 14th amendment. we will focus on all of this this sunday morning. it was a call. numbers at the bottom of your screen. we also want you to join us online on twitter and facebook or send us an e-mail. we will get your calls and comments in just a moment. our question, whether or not they residents can -- president can't bypass congress to raise the debt ceiling.
hagel, the choice for defense secretary. later, someone from morgan stanley talks about his new book. "washington journal" was next. >> good morning here in washington on the sunday morning. rehearsals underway later today for the inaugural ceremony. it will officially get underway in eight days. it is sunday, january 13. the house returns this week. the senate returns after the inauguration. converse tries to figure out what to do on the issue of spending and the national debt....
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joe biden, hagel, and john kerry? zeefs later sent as a private envoy to smooth things over with karzai. >> true, but this is -- karzai must look at the leadership of the second obama administration and see a message coming for him then. what the troop levels will be after 2014 and will there even be u.s. troops there? >> ruth marcus, the white house is telling me that it was not a slip of the tongue. it was a very specific statement by ben rhodes in his briefings, pre-briefi pre-briefing, before the karzai visit, the zero option of troops 2014 is an option. it's all on the table. >> that the zero option is something that should scare not just president karzai, but from my point of view it should scare us because it basically says we give up, we quit, the progress that we made is untenable, and we might as well not even try to keep it because from the military officials that i have spoken to they don't need tens of thousands of soldiers, but they need a force, maybe -- several thousand to 10,000 to maintain the progre
joe biden, hagel, and john kerry? zeefs later sent as a private envoy to smooth things over with karzai. >> true, but this is -- karzai must look at the leadership of the second obama administration and see a message coming for him then. what the troop levels will be after 2014 and will there even be u.s. troops there? >> ruth marcus, the white house is telling me that it was not a slip of the tongue. it was a very specific statement by ben rhodes in his briefings, pre-briefi...
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chuck hagel said it, boom. he also said one time as united states senator, my number one job is to represent what's best for the people of the united states of america. not the government of israel. they're criticizing him for that. i gotta tell you something any united states senator who says the opposite is a traitor right? >> good point! >> bill: yeah, the other thing, this is real personal with me because jim hormel is one of my best friends. he was our ambassador to luxembourg. he was the first openly gay ambassador. appointed by president clinton in 1998. i was at the state department when jim hormel was sworn in bid a lynn albright -- by madeleine albright and tim wu, his partner was there when he was sworn in. we were all in tears watching that historic moment. at the time, chuck hagel said he didn't deserve to be ambassador because he was openly gay and that sent the wrong message. he wouldn't be able to represent all of the people of the united states. i resent that he said that. he was dead wrong but
chuck hagel said it, boom. he also said one time as united states senator, my number one job is to represent what's best for the people of the united states of america. not the government of israel. they're criticizing him for that. i gotta tell you something any united states senator who says the opposite is a traitor right? >> good point! >> bill: yeah, the other thing, this is real personal with me because jim hormel is one of my best friends. he was our ambassador to luxembourg....
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so i think that hagel, i think brennan will bring up a discussion. we'll find out how lib ralts, in fact, they really do care about the use of drones in this administration. the seems to have given a pass to president obama, used drones more than president bush ever did and i think the republicans will use it to discuss benghazi but i think will confirmed as well. >> woodruff: both of them. you were talking about a group of loners. what are these choices and what we know so far about the president's white house staff and cabinet say about the president, david. >> it's not exactly great copy for us. they are not the most exciting group, necessarily. they are a group that has, are people of integrity, every single one of them, no scandals including the new treasury of secretary jack lew so there will be no scandal or no stupidity, wob exception there is cautious, reliable, responsible and for the most part extremely experienced. and so i give them high marks for these sorts of things. i think the way you fault a president is they are already very well-
so i think that hagel, i think brennan will bring up a discussion. we'll find out how lib ralts, in fact, they really do care about the use of drones in this administration. the seems to have given a pass to president obama, used drones more than president bush ever did and i think the republicans will use it to discuss benghazi but i think will confirmed as well. >> woodruff: both of them. you were talking about a group of loners. what are these choices and what we know so far about the...
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it's just chuck hagel. because, again, so far outside that bipartisan foreign policy mainstream. >> all right, cornell, what does this say about the president, that he refused to back down? >> well, it says that the president -- he's leading. i mean, this certainly -- chuck hagel is someone who fits the sort of description of what the president wants to see more of in washington. just reaching across the aisle. touching republicans. you know, reaching across the aisle and saying, you know what, you don't have to play this partisan political game all the time. here is someone who has been a republican senator from a red state who agrees with me on some issues but disagrees with me on other issues. but we can work together. he's someone who has my confidence. again, like colin powell said. so a bold independent thinker. another thing, here's it is guy who can be the first enlisted man who can ever be secretary here. here's someone who gets the troops. when the president looked at what the troops are going thr
it's just chuck hagel. because, again, so far outside that bipartisan foreign policy mainstream. >> all right, cornell, what does this say about the president, that he refused to back down? >> well, it says that the president -- he's leading. i mean, this certainly -- chuck hagel is someone who fits the sort of description of what the president wants to see more of in washington. just reaching across the aisle. touching republicans. you know, reaching across the aisle and saying,...
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chuck hagel is an impressive guy who i admire in a lot of ways. i don't know why he thinks that it takes a republican to be nominated two times out of three. >> michelle fourneau, her job as under-secretary was historically high level achievement, for somebody in the defense world. when she was there as such a highly regarded person as a potential next secretary of defense, did it make a difference in the pentagon? did it make a difference in that setting to have a woman at that high level? >> right. i think it absolutely did in several different ways, number one, she was just a real inspiration for a lot of young women and really encouraged them to go into jobs that were seen as being in male-dominated realms, secondly, she really brought in a terrific crew of women into leadership positions in the pentagon. you know, dramatically increased the number of women in the positions. and when you think about the rolodex, you tend to think of people you know, and men tend to know more men, and women know more women, so getting people in that high-rankin
chuck hagel is an impressive guy who i admire in a lot of ways. i don't know why he thinks that it takes a republican to be nominated two times out of three. >> michelle fourneau, her job as under-secretary was historically high level achievement, for somebody in the defense world. when she was there as such a highly regarded person as a potential next secretary of defense, did it make a difference in the pentagon? did it make a difference in that setting to have a woman at that high...
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do you know if chuck hagel has? >> i don't know if he has or not. in addition to that, it's fascinating the obama administration is picking another former senator over to the defense side of the cabinet. you have the president obama, vice president biden, hillary clinton, john kerry and you now you have senator chuck hagel. that is dangerous to have one world view of the administration when it deals with defense policies. why not have someone like robert gates, someone who has a different view and came from a different background but knew how to manage things. >> jamie: quickly, i assume even a corporate ceo wants a team that shares the views. have you found that to be historically the way president obama operates? >> first, there is a lot more to the point of view and world view of john kerry, hillary clinton and president obama than the fact they were in the senate. there is lot more to personal experience. remember that gates and biden did not want obama, they recommended against obama making the call. so sometimes he agrees and sometimes he disa
do you know if chuck hagel has? >> i don't know if he has or not. in addition to that, it's fascinating the obama administration is picking another former senator over to the defense side of the cabinet. you have the president obama, vice president biden, hillary clinton, john kerry and you now you have senator chuck hagel. that is dangerous to have one world view of the administration when it deals with defense policies. why not have someone like robert gates, someone who has a different...
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>> shep, really no republicans jumping to hagel's defense right now. many were frustrated with him because he turned against the war in and iraq in and refused to it endorse john mccain in 2008. he stressed independence from the jewish lobby. critics biggest concern is whether he is tough enough on iran. >> secretary panetta, the current secretary of defense said there is a red line there over which we will not allow iran to cross. the president had different times has said the same thing. chuck hagel has said previously that he doesn't believe that we ought to keep all options on the table when it comes to an iranian nuclear threat. >> the white house says hagel has been strongly supportive of israel's security. they say his views are insync with the president. as you alluded hagel apologized for calling a u.s. dip openly aggressively gay 14 years ago. shepard? >> shepard: much less opposition to john brennan's nomination, correct? >> there do seem to be fewer concerns but that doesn't mean less concerns. 25 years at the cia before becoming the presid
>> shep, really no republicans jumping to hagel's defense right now. many were frustrated with him because he turned against the war in and iraq in and refused to it endorse john mccain in 2008. he stressed independence from the jewish lobby. critics biggest concern is whether he is tough enough on iran. >> secretary panetta, the current secretary of defense said there is a red line there over which we will not allow iran to cross. the president had different times has said the same...
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were you surprised that chuck hagel specifically did? >> i was surprised. i thought it was a fantastic opportunity for president obama to make a historic gesture and nominate the first female secretary of defense. it's one of those situations where it struck me. obviously i am completely biased. but it struck me that the most qualified man for the job was a woman in this particular case. i was also disappointed just that he named chuck hagel, who is an impressive guy who i admire in a lot of ways. but i don't see why president obama, a democrat wants to send the message that even he thinks it takes a republican to run the defense department two times out of three. >> in terms of michelle flournoy's role in the national security world, her job as undersecretary at the defense department was itself historically higher level of achievement for someone in the defense world. when she was there and when she was there as such a highly regarded person as a potential next secretary of defense, did it make a difference in the pentagon? did it make a difference in tha
were you surprised that chuck hagel specifically did? >> i was surprised. i thought it was a fantastic opportunity for president obama to make a historic gesture and nominate the first female secretary of defense. it's one of those situations where it struck me. obviously i am completely biased. but it struck me that the most qualified man for the job was a woman in this particular case. i was also disappointed just that he named chuck hagel, who is an impressive guy who i admire in a lot...